Curse

Tyla · Jul 29, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Age

I teamed up with a lot of PvE Monks that were good and they had resses as well as radiant armour.

I /facepalmed at this.

Oh, and PvE is easy... >.>

Tearz1993 · Jul 29, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Chris37320

PvE is a great place to start monking. I don't see why your ashamed of it. Most hardcore PvP'ers learned the game from pve.

QFT

It really does help.

glacialphoenix · Jul 29, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Tyla

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Originally Posted by Age

I teamed up with a lot of PvE Monks that were good and they had resses as well as radiant armour.

I /facepalmed at this.

Oh, and PvE is easy... >.>

He did say he was a PUG monk, and in general, PUGs expect the monk to bring a rez regardless of situation. On top of that, if you play with trusted friends and/or guildies, you can probably expect them to be a lot smarter than your average PUG and not do things like overextend - means you don't need radiant armor, because they don't tax your energy like PUGs do. PUGs tend to drain my energy faster than my guildies do. Waaaay faster.

Tyla · Jul 29, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

He did say he was a PUG monk, and in general, PUGs expect the monk to bring a rez regardless of situation. On top of that, if you play with trusted friends and/or guildies, you can probably expect them to be a lot smarter than your average PUG and not do things like overextend - means you don't need radiant armor, because they don't tax your energy like PUGs do. PUGs tend to drain my energy faster than my guildies do. Waaaay faster.

To be honest, popping out a high energy set would be more effective. Just tell the PuG if they overextend they're going to die a horrible, painful death.

Snow Bunny · Jul 29, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Time for me to win this thread already.

[glyph of lesser energy][word of healing][shield of absorption][aegis][protective spirit][cure hex][patient spirit][dismiss condition]

Oh, Attributes are 12+1+1 Heal, 10+1 Prot, 8+1 Divine

With regards to the WoH bar, just throw up aegis everytime you run into a mob, and then SoA when everything converges onto a target.

Survivor Sunglasses with +1 (2) Healing Prayers rune
Survivor with +1 Protection Prayers rune
Survivor with +1 Divine Favor Rune
Survivor with Superior Vigor Rune
Survivor with -20% Cripple Duration Rune

Dye all your armor Red

Crippling Tormented Sword with +5 energy and +30 hp with a Tormented Shield with +30 and +10vs. slashing.

Droknar's Healing set, Eternal Flame wand with 15/-1 and Blessed Chalice with 15/-1, and a 40/20/20 Tormented Prot Staff.

Do all that, and you can be amazing like myself.

Epeen +10000

In all seriousness, it's what you should do. You'll have a decent bar, have optimal equipment function-wise, and you'll look good enough to be on Obs mode.

glacialphoenix · Jul 29, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Tyla

To be honest, popping out a high energy set would be more effective. Just tell the PuG if they overextend they're going to die a horrible, painful death.

That's what I do these days, when I actually play with PUGs - forgiving, of course, objective real-life reasons. Kid bugging you, causing you to get distracted? Yeah, that's fine, as long as you don't scream at me if I can't get to you.

It's kind of odd. I started out as a monk (post-Factions), got a full Survivor set, and had a bunch of people going '...oO no Radiant?' because apparently every other monk went Radiant back then. Now everyone goes 'Survivor! No Radiant!' - probably because high energy sets are so much more obtainable. Ah well. If anyone's mentioned nothing but minor runes for monks, I wholly agree - you can get 600 hp even with a full radiant set if you use nothing but minor runes.

I see a lot of people in PUGs with major/sup healing, though.

Jebus · Jul 29, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

What about [Seed of Life] and [Healing Seed] ? I haven't seen them in any bar in this thread (I think), I would be using those skills when there's a lot of focus on a single team mate (like when someone's tanking)

Good/bad idea?

Snow Bunny · Jul 29, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Jebus

(like when someone's tanking)

Good/bad idea?

Bad idea.

Seed of Life is pretty bad in its current state, and why would you tank?

Jebus · Jul 29, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Bad idea.

Seed of Life is pretty bad in its current state, and why would you tank?

Because some pug's like to bring a tanker along =-/ I'd rather not but w/e

glacialphoenix · Jul 29, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Jebus

What about [Seed of Life] and [Healing Seed] ? I haven't seen them in any bar in this thread (I think), I would be using those skills when there's a lot of focus on a single team mate (like when someone's tanking)

Good/bad idea?

Actually, they're used in the classic HB For Ursans build. Until they nerf ursan, if you want to PUG, you'll probably have to rely on that bar:

Mo/E: [Healer's Boon][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Dwayna's Kiss][Heal Party][Seed of Life][Healing Seed][Words of Comfort][Rebirth]

Depending on the area, the last two may change.

However, be warned: Seed of Life and Healing Seed both have long recharges that make it not that worth it - especially if you have both on your bar. You can use something that recharges faster instead. Also, re that bar: in my opinion, it relies too much on having a HB partner, considering three of the spells have long recharges. On top of that, they're enchantments, and if your darling tank likes to stand in Well of the Profane, you can't use those. You can feel entirely free to tell him to GTFO or die painfully, though.

You're probably going to end up using it if you monk for an ursan team, though. =\ Hope that was fair enough warning. I personally prefer Word of Healing bars, but heaven forfend you tell that to the average PUG.

Burst Cancel · Jul 31, 2008, 01:45 AM // 01:45

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Originally Posted by Jebus

What about [Seed of Life] and [Healing Seed] ? I haven't seen them in any bar in this thread (I think), I would be using those skills when there's a lot of focus on a single team mate (like when someone's tanking)

Good/bad idea?

See: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...79#post3963579

Age · Jul 31, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I /facepalmed at this.

Oh, and PvE is easy... >.>

Don't start baiting with me not with pugs I pugged.

glacialphoenix · Aug 01, 2008, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Age, man, relax.

Seriously.

Yes, there are a lot of really bad PUGs out there, and even more so with Ursan. A great deal of them need a cluehammer (I'd like to use Devona's) on their thick skulls.

Some people are just luckier than you in terms of PUGs, and some people don't PUG. I find PvE easy, but that's because I have someone to finish it with. I know how frustrating it is to PUG, especially missions in HM, where people just. don't. get. it.

Sunjiang District:
"OMG MONK CARRY THE URN! OMG MONK CAN YOU DROP IT PROPERLY!"
Me: CAN'T THE NECRO DO THIS INSTEAD?! OR THE MEZ?
Necro: *hiding at the back*

That same mission, which my PUG failed twice, was easily completed when I heroed it with my boyfriend.

So, yes, it's a lot harder to do stuff with PUGs these days - but chill out. The rez debate's been going on for a long time, and it's not a personal attack at you, kay? I bring a rez, and I don't think that automatically makes me a bad monk. Some people just don't like their monks to bring rez, and that's their choice. Relax already.

Yoshikuni Mahsu · Aug 01, 2008, 01:17 PM // 13:17

The only situation rez is acceptable on a monk is rebirth in PvE. ANY other rez insinuates rez'ing during battle, and if you're rez'ing during battle as a monk you've failed at so many things (including guild wars) id like not to list them.

glacialphoenix · Aug 01, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu

The only situation rez is acceptable on a monk is rebirth in PvE. ANY other rez insinuates rez'ing during battle, and if you're rez'ing during battle as a monk you've failed at so many things (including guild wars) id like not to list them.

Of course you shouldn't be rezzing in battle. But bringing a rez =/= rezzing midbattle, that's all. Is that a fair enough statement?

Tyla · Aug 01, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Age

Don't start baiting with me not with pugs I pugged.

PvE will never determine how skillful people are until it gets some real challenge.

Merely "getting the job done" doesn't mean you're good. And yes, this is coming from quite a bad Monk.

Snow Bunny · Aug 01, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by glacialphoenix

But bringing a rez =/= rezzing midbattle, that's all

Your bar doesn't have room for a rez.

glacialphoenix · Aug 01, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Your bar doesn't have room for a rez.

I still think we should leave that as a debatable point. In PvP, sure. In PvE, I would say it depends on style. Either way, rezzing mid-battle is definitely a no-no, especially if it's Rebirth. I'm quite sure we're agreed on that point.

For example, I play with two of my guildies, who tend not to bring rezzes and who are generally squishier than me - one of them in particular plays at twice my ping, and I'm around the 400-600 range. Shit happens, people get stuck or lag and can't get out of the aggro range of a vicious patrol. If I'm the one with the best chance of surviving, I'll bring a rez. Obviously if there's someone who happens to have waaaay better ping than I do, he can take the rez and I can switch mine out for something else.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I have my opinions on the rez debate and you have yours. In terms of advice, I'd say bringing a rez depends on who the people you're playing with are and whether or not they want you to, and if you're hero/henching, that entirely depends on you and your heroes.

I just don't think having a rez makes you, by default, a bad monk. Using a rez midbattle would. Having the rez itself doesn't, as long as your skillbar is effective - and what's effective would depend on who you're playing with and what you're playing.

Burst Cancel · Aug 02, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

The reason monks don't bring res is because there is always somewhere better to put it. The monk has both the least amount of free bar space and the least amount of use for a res. Everyone else on the team can and should be combat-rezing.

JDRyder · Aug 02, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Are you guys for ****ing serious?

For normal mode, bring WoH and the rest of your bar hardly matters.

For HM make sure somebody has PS. Spirit Bond doesn't cut it.

And [email protected]

I like LoD for pve, its not that bad and in some areas its better.

PS, you may as well take Dshot other than a rez, it will be more useful for a monk